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发信人: Grandeagle (Dave), 信区: ITnews
标  题: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sat Aug 26 16:38:29 2000) WWW-POST

Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
gave very good points.
some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
solution the company should take really depends on what kind
resource,project budget and available expertise.
For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
solution will not be
a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.

For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
uses load balancing,
clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
more powerful
box to replace.

I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
codes.

also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
JSP is a copy
from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc


for the small or mid size company who has very limited
budget should have MS solution.




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发信人: ayanami (丑丑的甲亢), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sat Aug 26 22:38:28 2000), 转信

【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: gave very good points.
: some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
awww. that is me! But I am not *just* an anti-MS fan. I am a anti-MS
advocate! However, I am still loomed under MS, since I still run windows on
3/4 of my machines.

The reason I dont like MS is the technology it develops is always not clean,
has some hideous "Features" that somehow hinder your development and even more,
sometimes requires you to buy another product just to "bugfix" the previous
"feature". Nevertheless, it still could be useful if you dont care your
investment, you dont mind writing codes in a very uncomfortable way.
The company I work for has the flagship product under NT for almost 6 release
versions. (major version) *shrug*

: solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: resource,project budget and available expertise.
: For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: solution will not be
: a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
: For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: uses load balancing,
: clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
: while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: more powerful
: box to replace.
: I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: codes.
But good java codes are better and more of an art than good VB codes.
Software engineering is an art, for a true software engineer.

: also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: JSP is a copy
: from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
: for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: budget should have MS solution.


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发信人: jessejane (jesse), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 00:07:49 2000), 转信

【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: gave very good points.
: some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
: solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: resource,project budget and available expertise.
: For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: solution will not be
: a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
: For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: uses load balancing,
: clustering technology and acheive very good scalability

MS products couldn't have good scalability.
they suits only for midsize or small size enterprise .

: while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: more powerful
: box to replace.
: I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: codes.
: also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: JSP is a copy
: from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
: for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: budget should have MS solution.


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发信人: jessejane (jesse), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 00:15:38 2000), 站内信件

【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: gave very good points.
: some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
: solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: resource,project budget and available expertise.
: For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: solution will not be
: a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
: For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: uses load balancing,
: clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
: while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: more powerful
: box to replace.
: I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: codes.
: also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: JSP is a copy
: from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc

JINI copies from what?
in fact, 只有具备对手所有的功能,然后并具有其余的特点,才能
做到超越。
这和产品的招标基本类似。。



: for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: budget should have MS solution.


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发信人: laugh (haha), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 01:18:01 2000), 转信

whole HP worldwide is managed by NT network.

【 在 jessejane (jesse) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: : Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: : gave very good points.
: : some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
: : solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: : resource,project budget and available expertise.
: : For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: : solution will not be
: : a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
: : For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: : uses load balancing,
: : clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
: MS products couldn't have good scalability.
: they suits only for midsize or small size enterprise .
: : while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: : more powerful
: : box to replace.
: : I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: : reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: : It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: : codes.
: : also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: : JSP is a copy
: : from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
: : for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: : budget should have MS solution.


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发信人: vmunix (dump), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 06:07:15 2000) WWW-POST

【 在 laugh (haha) 的大作中提到: 】
: whole HP worldwide is managed by NT network.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^no, HPUX
instead
: 【 在 jessejane (jesse) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: : : Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: : : gave very good points.
: : : some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
: : : solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: : : resource,project budget and available expertise.
: : : For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: : : solution will not be
: : : a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
: : : For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: : : uses load balancing,
: : : clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
: : MS products couldn't have good scalability.
: : they suits only for midsize or small size enterprise .
: : : while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: : : more powerful
: : : box to replace.
: : : I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: : : reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: : : It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: : : codes.
: : : also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: : : JSP is a copy
: : : from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
: : : for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: : : budget should have MS solution.
:
:


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发信人: MLTR (lonely), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 11:17:09 2000), 站内信件


【 在 jessejane (jesse) 的大作中提到: 】
: 【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: : from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
: JINI copies from what?
: in fact, 只有具备对手所有的功能,然后并具有其余的特点,才能
: 做到超越。
: 这和产品的招标基本类似。。
: : for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: : budget should have MS solution.
BTW: I don't understand that why EJB copies from MTS.
It seems JTS is the peer of MTS. EJB has a much larger content than
MTS.
And anyone tell me what M$ products corresponds to J2EE?
C# & 'Net seem to be but someone said it's a subset of J2EE.

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发信人: bugs (Bugs), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 11:53:30 2000), 转信

If MS products are easy  to use and no problem for small to midsize
company, why would those companies want to use other things then?

And another thing, most the pictures we seen are painted by painter
instead of artist. If I'm a company owner and I want to achieve
XX. I have two choices:

1 The state of the art programmer+the state of the art software
+slower machine + low maintenance cost + etc.

2 Cheap educated programmer + lousy software +faster machine
+ high maintenance cost+ etc.

If I know everything and I make the right choice, the choice may  not
always be 1. Since it may  actually have higher total cost. In reality,
odds are even worse for 1, since it's hard to foresee maitennace cost

This is a little off-topic, however, the point is bad software will always
have its market. Hey, you got to admit, money drives everything.




【 在 MLTR (lonely) 的大作中提到: 】



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发信人: jessejane (jesse), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 17:36:04 2000), 转信


HP standards for Large -size enterprise?
in additional, i don't bbelieve HP worldwide websites are managed
by NT. Since HP has hp-unix and HP high level products.

【 在 laugh (haha) 的大作中提到: 】
: whole HP worldwide is managed by NT network.
: 【 在 jessejane (jesse) 的大作中提到: 】
: : MS products couldn't have good scalability.
: : they suits only for midsize or small size enterprise .


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发信人: jessejane (jesse), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 17:39:47 2000), 转信

【 在 bugs (Bugs) 的大作中提到: 】
: If MS products are easy  to use and no problem for small to midsize
: company, why would those companies want to use other things then?
: And another thing, most the pictures we seen are painted by painter
: instead of artist. If I'm a company owner and I want to achieve
: XX. I have two choices:
: 1 The state of the art programmer+the state of the art software
: +slower machine + low maintenance cost + etc.
: 2 Cheap educated programmer + lousy software +faster machine
: + high maintenance cost+ etc.
: If I know everything and I make the right choice, the choice may  not
: always be 1. Since it may  actually have higher total cost. In reality,
: odds are even worse for 1, since it's hard to foresee maitennace cost
: This is a little off-topic, however, the point is bad software will always
: have its market. Hey, you got to admit, money drives everything.

sure,北京早市上卖的油条永远有人吃!呵呵~~


: 【 在 MLTR (lonely) 的大作中提到: 】


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发信人: yunli (千里快哉风), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 23:18:16 2000) WWW-POST

OK, guys,

This kind of debate is never gonna end, please...

The point is not who is better than who, or who steals from
who.
The point IS --- Given time, good technology will stay for a
long time and dominate the market, whether you like it or
not (for any reason like not clean or no creative idea,
blah, blah...)

Take a look at history, when the time comes that Unix is
ready to dominate the market, the percentage of mainframe
and other stuff is decreasing. What is the proof then? OK,
during that time, how soon Unix market grows to take over IS
the proof.

Now, if given some time like another 10 years, since NT only
about 10+ years old, and 2000 is just an infant, NT/2000
market will grow dramatically to take over the PC and
low/high end workstation market (etc. >50%), then we should
say Unix time is over, any emotional word against NT/2000 is
just BS. On the other hand, if that doesn't happen, then we
should say Unix still is dominating the world.

Same thing goes to software development, I believe .NET and
C# eventually will fight Java, whether or not MS admits it.
And only thing I can think of in favor of Java is platform
independence. But I doubt if that still holds in the future.

This kind of debate is really just wasting time.

Yun





【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: gave very good points.
: some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
: solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: resource,project budget and available expertise.
: For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: solution will not be
: a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
:
: For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: uses load balancing,
: clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
: while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: more powerful
: box to replace.
:
: I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: codes.
:
: also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: JSP is a copy
: from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
:
:
: for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: budget should have MS solution.
:
:
:
:


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发信人: qili (qili), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Sun Aug 27 23:47:17 2000), 站内信件

【 在 yunli (千里快哉风) 的大作中提到: 】
: Same thing goes to software development, I believe .NET and
: C# eventually will fight Java, whether or not MS admits it.
: And only thing I can think of in favor of Java is platform
: independence. But I doubt if that still holds in the future.
: This kind of debate is really just wasting time.

"Platform Independence" is meaningless if there is just one
dominant platform - NT. This, I believe, is what Microsoft
is betting on - by dominating the server market (mid-to-low
end), they can effectively eliminate Java's reason to exist.

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发信人: ayanami (丑丑的甲亢), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 11:14:31 2000) WWW-POST

*NIX is a 30 years old technology, and windows is just
plainly bad.
We can only hope something new and fresh and really "good"
coming out to take over. And at the meanwhile, we can only
sit and pray.

【 在 yunli (千里快哉风) 的大作中提到: 】
: OK, guys,
:
: This kind of debate is never gonna end, please...
:
: The point is not who is better than who, or who steals from
: who.
: The point IS --- Given time, good technology will stay for a
: long time and dominate the market, whether you like it or
: not (for any reason like not clean or no creative idea,
: blah, blah...)
:
: Take a look at history, when the time comes that Unix is
: ready to dominate the market, the percentage of mainframe
: and other stuff is decreasing. What is the proof then? OK,
: during that time, how soon Unix market grows to take over IS
: the proof.
:
: Now, if given some time like another 10 years, since NT only
: about 10+ years old, and 2000 is just an infant, NT/2000
: market will grow dramatically to take over the PC and
: low/high end workstation market (etc. >50%), then we should
: say Unix time is over, any emotional word against NT/2000 is
: just BS. On the other hand, if that doesn't happen, then we
: should say Unix still is dominating the world.
:
: Same thing goes to software development, I believe .NET and
: C# eventually will fight Java, whether or not MS admits it.
: And only thing I can think of in favor of Java is platform
: independence. But I doubt if that still holds in the future.
:
: This kind of debate is really just wasting time.
:
: Yun
:
:
:
:
:
: 【 在 Grandeagle (Dave) 的大作中提到: 】
: : Hi,guys I have read the posts about ASP vs JSP. Some guys
: : gave very good points.
: : some guys are just anti-MS fans.I think what kind of
: : solution the company should take really depends on what kind
: : resource,project budget and available expertise.
: : For the performance, both MS solition and Sun+Oracle
: : solution will not be
: : a problem because hardware are more powerful and cheaper.
: :
: : For the Scalability,Microsoft did a good job. Windows DNA
: : uses load balancing,
: : clustering technology and acheive very good scalability
: : while using Unix box, in most cases, you probably need buy a
: : more powerful
: : box to replace.
: :
: : I have to say sun + oracle solution has better
: : reliability,but its implementation cost is higher.
: : It is much easier to write bad java codes than write bad VB
: : codes.
: :
: : also Ms technology is more advanced generally. for example
: : JSP is a copy
: : from ASP. EJB copies from MTS. JDBC copies Odbc etc
: :
: :
: : for the small or mid size company who has very limited
: : budget should have MS solution.
: :
: :
: :
: :
:
:

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发信人: loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 15:40:45 2000), 转信

i am just wondering what you have to support that thing when you say
"the windows is just plainly bad."?

【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: *NIX is a 30 years old technology, and windows is just
: plainly bad.
: We can only hope something new and fresh and really "good"
: coming out to take over. And at the meanwhile, we can only
: sit and pray.
: 【 在 yunli (千里快哉风) 的大作中提到: 】
: : OK, guys,
: : This kind of debate is never gonna end, please...
: : The point is not who is better than who, or who steals from
: : who.
: : The point IS --- Given time, good technology will stay for a
: : long time and dominate the market, whether you like it or
: : not (for any reason like not clean or no creative idea,
: : blah, blah...)
: : Take a look at history, when the time comes that Unix is
: : ready to dominate the market, the percentage of mainframe
: : and other stuff is decreasing. What is the proof then? OK,
: : during that time, how soon Unix market grows to take over IS
: : the proof.
: : Now, if given some time like another 10 years, since NT only
: : about 10+ years old, and 2000 is just an infant, NT/2000
: : market will grow dramatically to take over the PC and
: : low/high end workstation market (etc. >50%), then we should
: : say Unix time is over, any emotional word against NT/2000 is
: : just BS. On the other hand, if that doesn't happen, then we
: : should say Unix still is dominating the world.
: : Same thing goes to software development, I believe .NET and
: : C# eventually will fight Java, whether or not MS admits it.
: : And only thing I can think of in favor of Java is platform
: : independence. But I doubt if that still holds in the future.
: : This kind of debate is really just wasting time.
: : Yun


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发信人: ayanami (丑丑的甲亢), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 17:36:11 2000), 转信

What do you have in support windows isn't?
I have my frustrated hours with windows... ugh

【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: i am just wondering what you have to support that thing when you say
: "the windows is just plainly bad."?
: 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : *NIX is a 30 years old technology, and windows is just
: : plainly bad.
: : We can only hope something new and fresh and really "good"
: : coming out to take over. And at the meanwhile, we can only
: : sit and pray.


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发信人: grammy (Byte), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 17:44:11 2000), 转信

用的时间越长, 用的功能越复杂,越有可能出问题。
【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: What do you have in support windows isn't?
: I have my frustrated hours with windows... ugh
: 【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: : i am just wondering what you have to support that thing when you say
: : "the windows is just plainly bad."?


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发信人: ayanami (丑丑的甲亢), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 18:02:25 2000) WWW-POST

【 在 grammy (Byte) 的大作中提到: 】
: 用的时间越长, 用的功能越复杂,越有可能出问题。
er?
I dont consider Using IE is a "very" complicated matter. And
programming under windows environment shouldn't be either.

: 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : What do you have in support windows isn't?
: : I have my frustrated hours with windows... ugh
: : 【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: : : i am just wondering what you have to support that thing when you say
: : : "the windows is just plainly bad."?
:
:

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发信人: loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 18:18:15 2000), 站内信件

i have a couple of friends doing NT/Win2k reliability testing, they have
good figures before they ship the products, even for the home oriented
winme, they also did quite thorough tests b4 shipping

you sure that all problems you faced are just because of that "bad" windows?

【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: What do you have in support windows isn't?
: I have my frustrated hours with windows... ugh
: 【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: : i am just wondering what you have to support that thing when you say
: : "the windows is just plainly bad."?


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发信人: ayanami (丑丑的甲亢), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 18:26:34 2000), 转信

WinME, according to my friend(s) who had used them, is a big piece of crap that
made them just do format c:\ again. I have no idea why, but I listen to the
wises.
Thorough testing? is that what they told you before they ship windows98?
And what is the BOTD thing on my friend's win2k machine about?
The worst thing about windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't,
you better format and reinstall.
That is not very cost-effective.

【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: i have a couple of friends doing NT/Win2k reliability testing, they have
: good figures before they ship the products, even for the home oriented
: winme, they also did quite thorough tests b4 shipping
: you sure that all problems you faced are just because of that "bad" windows?
: 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : What do you have in support windows isn't?
: : I have my frustrated hours with windows... ugh


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※ 来源:.The unknown SPACE bbs.mit.edu.[FROM: 38.32.23.102]
发信人: loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 19:11:46 2000), 站内信件

for the gui and user friendliness sake, windows family has lots of troubles
with installation/removal of 3rd software packages. but it doesn't mean it
didnot have any thorough reliability testing before shipping.

they have a lab in redmond campus which install all kinds of commerical
applicatiion and test them with every windows release. they may not test
all these crappy shareware/freeware, they did test most market available
software package if the vendors sent samples to the lab.

those *nix system may not have so much problem since not so many ppl writing
applications on *nix and most of available app's don't employ the graphic,
file oprations, I/O things so much as windows does. windows has a way more
chaotic delevoping world than *nix.

i have no problem in understanding the "wises" you listend to, but i just
get an idea that they are a little bit biased too.

【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: WinME, according to my friend(s) who had used them, is a big piece of crap that
: made them just do format c:\ again. I have no idea why, but I listen to the
: wises.
: Thorough testing? is that what they told you before they ship windows98?
: And what is the BOTD thing on my friend's win2k machine about?
: The worst thing about windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't,
: you better format and reinstall.
: That is not very cost-effective.
: 【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: : i have a couple of friends doing NT/Win2k reliability testing, they have
: : good figures before they ship the products, even for the home oriented
: : winme, they also did quite thorough tests b4 shipping
: : you sure that all problems you faced are just because of that "bad" windows?


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发信人: yunli (千里快哉风), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 21:16:31 2000) WWW-POST

如果你总是盯着缺点看,再好的东西在你眼中也是狗屎,从你的post
中,我看到了太多的抱怨,如果再抬下去,是不是会说Windows比什
么都没有还差。
老兄,如果让你列Windows的优势,我真不信你一点也列不出来。

Yun

【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: WinME, according to my friend(s) who had used them, is a big piece of crap that
: made them just do format c:\ again. I have no idea why, but I listen to the
: wises.
: Thorough testing? is that what they told you before they ship windows98?
: And what is the BOTD thing on my friend's win2k machine about?
: The worst thing about windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't,
: you better format and reinstall.
: That is not very cost-effective.
:
: 【 在 loggie (四真大螺 往事随风 厚积薄发) 的大作中提到: 】
: : i have a couple of friends doing NT/Win2k reliability testing, they have
: : good figures before they ship the products, even for the home oriented
: : winme, they also did quite thorough tests b4 shipping
: : you sure that all problems you faced are just because of that "bad" windows?
: : 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : : What do you have in support windows isn't?
: : : I have my frustrated hours with windows... ugh
:
:


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发信人: ayanami (丑丑的甲亢), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Mon Aug 28 23:24:50 2000), 转信

really? Windows is good at user-friendly, and it has some very solid
software base. You can almost find anythign taht you need from microsoft's
inventory.
Besides, windows is not 再好的东西, i had enough trouble with it.

【 在 yunli (千里快哉风) 的大作中提到: 】
: 如果你总是盯着缺点看,再好的东西在你眼中也是狗屎,从你的post
: 中,我看到了太多的抱怨,如果再抬下去,是不是会说Windows比什
: 么都没有还差。
: 老兄,如果让你列Windows的优势,我真不信你一点也列不出来。
: Yun
: 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : WinME, according to my friend(s) who had used them, is a big piece of crap that
: : made them just do format c:\ again. I have no idea why, but I listen to the
: : wises.
: : Thorough testing? is that what they told you before they ship windows98?
: : And what is the BOTD thing on my friend's win2k machine about?
: : The worst thing about windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't,
: : you better format and reinstall.
: : That is not very cost-effective.


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发信人: kuafukuafu (夸父), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Wed Aug 30 12:37:38 2000) WWW-POST

I was an ASP developer, from my personal experience, I found
ASP is easy to
pick up by most people, and I don't want my position easy to
be replaced.
So, I became a JAVA developer. I found java is relatively
more powerful,
and high paid. Writing java code feel more comfortable
because the structure is
much more logical than ASPs. Recently I am doing sth on EJB,
I found EJB is just painfully too slow, I'm not sure how MTS
performs, but from my
personal experience, JAVA is defenitely not good for smaller
companies.
for big companies, you guys can start the argument.


【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: really? Windows is good at user-friendly, and it has some very solid
: software base. You can almost find anythign taht you need from microsoft's
: inventory.
: Besides, windows is not 再好的东西, i had enough trouble with it.
:
: 【 在 yunli (千里快哉风) 的大作中提到: 】
: : 如果你总是盯着缺点看,再好的东西在你眼中也是狗屎,从你的post
: : 中,我看到了太多的抱怨,如果再抬下去,是不是会说Windows比什
: : 么都没有还差。
: : 老兄,如果让你列Windows的优势,我真不信你一点也列不出来。
: : Yun
: : 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : : WinME, according to my friend(s) who had used them, is a big piece of crap that
: : : made them just do format c:\ again. I have no idea why, but I listen to the
: : : wises.
: : : Thorough testing? is that what they told you before they ship windows98?
: : : And what is the BOTD thing on my friend's win2k machine about?
: : : The worst thing about windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't,
: : : you better format and reinstall.
: : : That is not very cost-effective.
:
:

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发信人: laugh (haha), 信区: ITnews
标  题: Re: My opinion about ASP vs JSP
发信站: The unknown SPACE (Thu Aug 31 02:07:01 2000), 站内信件

i don't know ejb. but corba is quite satisfactory. I used visibroker.
svr written in java and cliens were writeen in java and c++ respectively.
It's very smooth.

I couldn't figure out how to use IONA's corba product. That's a great pain
to under iona and it's performance was rated the lowest.

I am doing DCE now and those corba work wwas for investigation for our
next release. DCE is not bad at all, but... ppl like new tech.

【 在 kuafukuafu (夸父) 的大作中提到: 】
: I was an ASP developer, from my personal experience, I found
: ASP is easy to
: pick up by most people, and I don't want my position easy to
: be replaced.
: So, I became a JAVA developer. I found java is relatively
: more powerful,
: and high paid. Writing java code feel more comfortable
: because the structure is
: much more logical than ASPs. Recently I am doing sth on EJB,
: I found EJB is just painfully too slow, I'm not sure how MTS
: performs, but from my
: personal experience, JAVA is defenitely not good for smaller
: companies.
: for big companies, you guys can start the argument.
: 【 在 ayanami (丑丑的甲亢) 的大作中提到: 】
: : really? Windows is good at user-friendly, and it has some very solid
: : software base. You can almost find anythign taht you need from microsoft's
: : inventory.
: : Besides, windows is not 再好的东西, i had enough trouble with it.


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